1) six up six count. I would like to see who has the better team, not just the best gymnast. And, what would the coach do in adversity? Most other sports
outcome is based on the stronger bench. ( love the drama)
2) post scores as soon as the gymnast completes event. no need to wait all scores count, and speeds up the meet.
3) judges should be assigned by the NCAA, to each meet, schools should have nothing to do with them, but vote for the Nationals.
4) meet should have no less that three teams. (duel meets out) The third team could be a crossover team from another conference.
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What I would like to see as a fan. What would you like to see? |
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1) I like 6 up 5 count or at least some sort of drop because I think it leads to more risk. Of course I want risk of the odd fall not risk of injury.
2) I still think a tight, well-run dual NCAA meet is the best show in Gymnastics. 3) I agree that schools and coaches have to get out of the judge selection business. 4) Faster posting of scores is a plus... It goes back to that tight, well-run meet biz. I don't think my bias towards Dual Meets can be carried to post season but I do think that 4x4 meets would be better than 6x6 meets. |
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Posts: 554 06/22/09 09:04 AM |
Jersey Devil 11 wrote:Not trying to slam the ASU team here, but trying to use a real-life example -- Arizona State won two dual meets last season -- one against Washington, one against Cal. The meet against Cal would not have even happened had this rule been in effect, because they'd have been forced to forfeit the meet. Arizona State would have still won the meet against Washington, as Washington would have to count a low score on beam, as well. However, I find it hard to believe that you'd be IN FAVOR of not being able to drop Bormann's or Jean's uneven bars score in every meet of the season. There weren't many meets last season where at least one of them didn't fall on bars. Arizona State already couldn't win to save their lives last season, and this definitely wouldn't have helped them out there. It's not a slam on Arizona State, but I'm using this team since you can relate to their situation - this is an example of exactly how 6-up, 6-count would HURT the lower-ranked teams, which is exactly the opposite of what Marsden is trying to do here. |
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Posts: 139 06/22/09 09:07 AM Giant Gym Fan |
Since 2003 the Judge's Assignment System has been in place. Schools/Coaches have NO say in who is being assigned to the meets. Assigners chosen by the
National Association of Womens Gymnastics Judges assign all of the regular season and conference meets. The regionals and nationals are assigned directly by
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You've missed what Marsden has proposed then | #4 | ||
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GoGophers wrote: Marsden wants 5 up 5 count. He's mentioned several times that he feels it would be much better than 6 up 6 count. |
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Posts: 1283 06/22/09 09:24 AM Mega Gym Fan |
newbee wrote: Yes, he proposed 5 up 5 count, but he's made it clear that he supports 6 up 6 count versus the current 6up 5 count format.
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let's try this again. | #6 | ||
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What would you like to see?
Vagas Ute, seem to be the only one that understood me. OLPATS, gave very good information, that I didn't know. Thanks! As per 5up or 6up, I'm still in favor of counting all scores, I don't care if it's ASU or any other team. I'm a gymnastics fan first, then ASU. I'm in favor of what Marsden said as per, Ingrid720. Now, can someone explain to me why would it hurt scholarships? When only 5 scores count anyway. Jersey 11
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Posts: 1283 06/23/09 02:02 PM Mega Gym Fan |
Jersey Devil 11 wrote:There is a concern that some Athletic Departments may wonder why they are funding 12 scholarships when a team would really only need 5 AA athletes to field a team. Now surely no one would suggest that they would only need 5 athletes for the season, but some ADs might suggest that 10 scholarships would be enough. The same concern extends to the NCAA. They might decide to limit a school to 10 or 11 scholarships, rather than the 12 they are allotted now, since you really don't NEED 12 to field a full team. |
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Jersey Devil 11 wrote:This is one of the reasons I'm wondering why you would prefer not to drop a score, actually. Counting all scores would seemingly reward the strategy of using always steady, consistent, perhaps cookie-cutter routines with no cutting edge skills (double pikes instead of a full-in, or Yurchenko full instead of a 1 1/2, maybe...) instead of allowing a gymnast to take a bit of extra risk knowing that her score can be dropped in a worst-case outcome on the attempt. Now I don't know, I always assumed this is what gymnastics fans wanted to see - the more flashy, showy, big skills. (Of course, I'd never suggest a gymnast train beyond what her body is capable of, which several gymnasts have shown isn't necessary in order to have some fun, unique, exciting routines.) |
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Posts: 19 06/23/09 04:28 PM |
Ingrid720 wrote:Thanks, |
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Posts: 193 06/24/09 07:22 PM Giant Gym Fan |
Some athletic departments already only fund 10, or even fewer, scholarships.
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I dunno. Maybe a flattering leotard once in a while. | #11 | ||
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I think U of Washington wore one last year that was sorta pretty. Many leotards are very, um, I'd chew my own foot off.... to get it off.
I often wonder if the leotards are selected by folks that secretly hate the gymnasts and are being passive aggressive. |
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6 up/5 count; faster scoring for routines; faster scoring for teams | #12 | ||
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1. I really like the 6 up 5 count system. I feel it makes the team unity, team cohesiveness that is such a big part of collegiate gymnastics. I'd hate to
see it leave, so I listed it here.
2. Faster, more clear scoring right after a routine completes. Don't let neutral deductions wait to be taken at the scoring table, flash them included in the score. I think that later deduction is confusing to the really casual fan. I'd also like some real announcement if a score changes for some reason. 3. Faster announcement of scores after each rotation. It's the technology age. Even with double and triple checking of the numbers, it shouldn't take all that long to make these announcements/get them on the scoreboards. 4. Great gymnastics, done cleanly. 5. I'd also hate to see college gymnastics go to only dual meets. From personal experience, I see this leading to the loss of more programs. The college I competed for lost its program a few years after I left, due in part to being excluded from meets at nearby schools when the dual meet came into vogue. |
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gympop wrote:Division 1 has a maximum of 12, but as gymzoo wrote, not all programs fund 12 full scholarships. Some fund fewer than 12. |
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Posts: 1536 06/25/09 03:46 PM Gymnastics Icon |
Great arguments from someone seeing this beyond the fan's perspective.
Totally agree with the announcers having a responsibility to maybe explain some of the scoring issues during touch warm ups to keep the fans well informed and prevent any confusion. I also don't like the dual competition meets especially at championships. The dual meets can get a little bit dull and slow moving. Again these issus can be solved by schools marketing their programs better and using the announcers to better educate the fans. I have a feeling the changes recommended will lead to a loss of fans if anything because of the BORING and repetitive gymnastics. I wanted to vomit, poke my eyes out with toothpicks and run screaming from the building back in the early 90s if I had to watch one more 1 1/4 prone 3rd pass on floor. This is going to lead to that kind of environment again. |
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Posts: 224 06/28/09 04:33 PM Super Gym Fan |
What I'd like to see:
> 6 up 6 count > no meets that end in a tie (I know, it doesn't happen that much, but...) - use an extra vault (being the least time consuming) as playoff - put your best vaulter in, and if that ties, go to your next best vaulter. > I don't care how many teams compete as a meet, but I don't want athletes competing at the same time as each other. Sure, some like to see the team they are most rooting for, but I want to see all the routines ! > if most of the audience seats are all on one side, don't have the coaches and teammates standing between the audience's view of the apparatus (particularly talking about FX and beam) > music for all routines, not just FX (ok, that's just me, I probably won't get much agreement here...) > up to the moment scoring, at least insofar as it can be fair |
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Posts: 147 06/28/09 05:57 PM Giant Gym Fan |
1) 6 up 5 count
2) Wins/Losses count over RSQ especially since the judges appear to based on regions and gymnastics is somewhat subjective sport. 3) Advertisement on tv, in papers (online) to promote the sport. 4) In dual meets one routine at a time. 5) Posting scores on the score boards after the routine instead of the post they spin around. |
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Posts: 146 06/29/09 11:53 AM Giant Gym Fan |
I would like to see each routine individually whether or not it is a dual meet. It is hard to focus on other teams' routines when I want to see all of my
team's routines too. If there is extreme concern about the length of the meet, maybe two at a time at a quad meet so you could at least have some chance to
focus in on routines. I think if you did vault and beam together and then bars and floor you could see almost all of every routine. Start bars a minute or so
before floor and vault a minute before beam. I drive 2 plus hours one way to each meet that I attend and I don't want to miss a moment!
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